Thanks rainer. See below in caps tho think I have most of that in hand. My aim right now was to let members know that the idea the kitchen was all ready to order might not be so. we do have time for a rethink tho.
From: Rainer Beneke <rainer.ucol@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 5 October 2020 6:05 pm
To: Roz <michael.rosemary@xtra.co.nz>
Cc: UCOL shareholders <ucol-shareholders@list.king.net.nz>
Subject: Re: commercial kitchen
Hi Roz
thanks for getting this started. sounds like its not straight forward, am particularly worried about commercial extraction… I think the advice Justin is giving regarding commercial vs high quality domestic should not be overlooked. EXACTLY, WE SHOULD AT LEAST CHECK IT OUT. JAN ALSO EMAILED AND COMMENTED SHE WENT TO A PLACE IN USA WHERE THEY WERE UNABLE TO USE THEIR KITCHEN BECAUSE OF THE EXTRACTION.
Perhaps we might go with a F&P appliance, especially now that we have a commercial account with them. This thing looks good to me and we may get it for $4000 from F&P.
https://www.smythsliving.co.nz/products/f-p-or90sdg6x1-freestanding-cooker-with-gas-cooktop.html WILL CHECK DOMESTIC OPTIONS THO, AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, WE BOUGHT A NEW F AND P FOR THIS HOUSE AND WOULD NEVER USE THEM AGAIN. KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS ABOUT SUPPLY AND XAVES HAD TO WAIT FOR HIS F AND P. WANT TO EMAIL A COUPLE OF LOCALLY AVAILABLE BRANDS AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT WARRANTY FOR DOMESTIC APPLIANCES USED IN SEMI COMMERCIAL SITUATIONS. SOME BRANDS HAD RULES THAT WERE FAIRLY STRINGENT EVEN FOR SMALL COMMERCIAL USERS.
I had a chat with a friend who has been in the food industry for 30 years (Pasta D’ORO, now Artisan food), who asked me, ‘who is designing the kitchen?’. Anyhow, she suggested to talk to Southern Hospitality to talk things over regarding our requirements. She said they are staffed by ex chefs. And of cause they are local. I HAVE EMAILED SOUTHERN HOSPITALITY BUT SO FAR NO REPLY.
Can someone team up with Roz and perhaps make an appointment with southern hospitality??? Our kitchen plan and that we may cook for 40 people is a good starting point. I HAVE BEEN THINKING THIS MIGHT BE MORE A TEAM THING BUT HAVE ONLY JUST GOT STARTED, ANYONE DESPERATE TO HELP SHOULD BE IN TOUCH……….. MICHAEL AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE THINK IS NEEDED AND THE COMMENTS FROM JUSTIN AND AGREE WHAT WE WANT IS A KITCHEN ANY CO HOUSER, OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES CAN USE HAPPILY AND SAFELY. REGDS ROZ
Please call me if you need an urgent reply.
Could people please read the email from the commercial kitchen supplier. Have asked him to do an estimate of the cost of using stainless steel benches but, from what he says, we need to rethink the appliances to make sure we do want to go commercial. Looks as if it could be an expensive business. One thing to keep in mind is whether using a domestic appliance of any kind would invalidate the warranty should there be any issues. This used to be the case.
I have done some on line costings for the stainless steel benches and shelves and think we could get those for around five thousand so that sounds cheaper than domestic. Xavier has just had a new kitchen made. It is 3.6m x about 3m and included gas oven and a dishwasher and was just under $20k installed. Tho justin (below) does mention using a joiner. Maybe open wooden shelves with stainless steel benchtops is another option we could consider?
Can I please have feedback as, from the advice given, our plans are unworkable. Thanks roz
I’ve had a look over the plan, it’s a sort of half & half Commercial kitchen with some modular stainless benches - Simply Stainless Specified - & domestic joinery.
Looks like a commercial gas Range on the plans, do you realise you will need a commercial extraction system given the output of the Commercial Range ? These systems are very expensive and require detailed air flow calculations with put red in inlet air to offset the amount of air being extracted.
I would suggest you buy a high quality domestic gas range with electric oven for ease of use, then you can simply install a domestic range hood.
With a mixture of open, commercial style stainless steel benching and domestic joinery units it may be just as easy and economical to have your joiner provide stainless worktops around the room for a more industrial look.
The trouble people have with a commercial appliances is that unless you come from a professional chef background most people would struggle to use them, for example these don’t have a clicker to spark the hobs, all commercial ranges are manually lit with a lighter, the extra power in the hobs and gas usage makes these not really suitable for a domestic environment.
Considering the large cost of an Extraction System - $10K + and the noise and vibration these create in a commercial environment I would suggest you won’t really gain any benefits from going down this track.
Likewise if you were to install an Under Bench Commercial Dishwasher which will do a cycle in 1 minute, one rack at a time, someone will need to start this in the morning and empty it at night while it stays on and ready to use all day, again this may not be appropriate for your situation unless of course you are employing a professional chef or cook to to run this kitchen.
Having said all of that if you are determined to install commercial appliances and some commercial benching we can price up the Gas Range, Modular Benching and Under Bench Commercial Dishwasher ( Commercial dishwashers should not be installed with domestic joinery, they get very hot and give off steam which destroys timber products.
Let me know your thoughts.
Kind Regards
Justin Mouw
02108747468
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