November 2020 - Ucol-shareholders

Workshop today
by Anna Maxwell 21 Nov '20

21 Nov '20

Hello all Anthony and I won’t try to attend the workshop by zoom today. A lot of great work has gone into the agreement - special acknowledgement to Warren - it’s looking good. Basically we support it and don’t have much feedback, just a couple of comments: The membership section may need some attention. It says Every resident aged 18 years or over, and every non-resident owner, is a member of Toiora Cohousing Group. Then goes on to say that all members are obliged to attend group meetings, participate in working bees etc ‘Resident’ is a new term in these documents - presumably it means the same as the term occupier in the body corp document - ie everyone who lives on the development. So this doesn’t allow for the case of adult children and flatmates who may not contribute directly to these things, as discussed in recent emails. Alex’s suggestion of an overall work quota based on the number of people in the household sounds good to us. The other comment is about the pets section. We don’t think the statement ‘we welcome pets in our neighbourhood’ is needed. Aside from the fact that some people may not really welcome pets, it’s somewhat at odds with the following statement about a sinking lid policy. Apologies for the last minute input. Thanks everyone. Anna and Anthony

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Sunday Induction Workshop programme - please read this email if you are coming!
by Jan Burch 20 Nov '20

20 Nov '20

Kia ora Toiora (Not sure that the grammar is correct but I love the rhyming in the greeting) Attached is a draft programme for the induction workshop. I'm counting on you to point out any errors or omissions so things can be fixed before Sunday. Anne and Catherine have frightened me with large number of people who may be present - all wanting to meet real cohousers - so I'm hoping as many as possible will be there for our shared lunch (finger foods) at 12.30pm. >From past experience we know many will arrive early, well before the 10.30am start, so if you are in the neighbourhood and could pop to the Sustainability Centre about 10am, help with meet and greet and join in the people bingo, it would be awesome, even if you leave as soon as the workshop starts. *EVERYONE *PLEASE BE CAREFUL IF TALKING ABOUT WHICH UNITS MAY BE FOR SALE/RENT. *DCC have not officially indicated in any way that they wish to sell theirs so at this stage we must not be seen to be offering A2 for sale. * Warren is looking at selling his unit, so it is fine for him to talk about that, and we expect that there will be other owners who wish to sell or rent, but unless you are wanting to sell or rent your own unit, you mustn't be more specific about what will be for sale. We will be asking participants to put their contact details down on a list as either interested in buying, interested in renting or just interested. We'll offer to pass the list to cohousers who are looking for buyers or renters at time of settlement, but we cannot offer waiting list or any detail about any unit other than our own. *So at our Induction Workshop Please Don't Even Mention DCC !* Thanks Jan

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Site photos
by Maria Callau 20 Nov '20

20 Nov '20

Some balustrades emerging on site... Have a good weekend, M Maria Callau 021 1847490 Sent from my iPhone

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no freeloaders
by Roz Wilson 19 Nov '20

19 Nov '20

We have been talking about our days as wwoof hosts. There were several categories of people. Some had to be chased in at night or they might have kept working. Some who were ok. Some who were not ok. We tried to include people in our whole lives so it didn't matter if they helped with the animals or the gardens or cooked so long as they did something. The ones who were not ok thought wwoofing was a free and effortless way of travelling. We think toiora should expect everyone to do something, but recognise it might be more geared to their skills and interests. We don't think anyone should be able to simply freeload. Regds roz and michael

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Final drafts for Renters, Purchasers, Boarders/Flatmates/Adult children
by Gay Buckingham 19 Nov '20

19 Nov '20

Tenants and Purchasers Informations sheets. Please find attached the final versions. Each has an amendment based on comments from Anne and Catherine. Unless anyone opposes it, I intend taking copies to Sunday’s workshops for people who want something to take away. Flatmates/Boarders/Adult children: clearly this requires discussion towards consensus. Can it go on the agenda for next Thursday please? I don’t have any strong feelings about this and won’t be at the meeting (Wedding:Queenstown:Friday) but it will become important very soon. Have a great weekend everyone and see (most of you) on Sunday. Best, Gay Gay Buckingham +64 27 4544012

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signing and committing discussion
by Roz Wilson 19 Nov '20

19 Nov '20

Are we saying so long as one person from a unit signs the cohousing agreement and commits to helping out with working bees, kitchen duty, teams etc any other short or long term occupier of any unit, be they spouses, children of any age, boarders, Airbnb etc, can participate in any cohousing activities and use all the common facilities on the same footing as the person who signed the agreement without having to make any contribution as listed in the cohousing agreement. This is not necessarily what we believe, we may be being devil's advocates. Would be good to get people to think about this before it comes up at a meeting. regds roz and michael

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Draft Renter/Boarder/Flatmate/Purchaser Informations Sheets
by Gay Buckingham 19 Nov '20

19 Nov '20

We undertook to have our material sent around early this week. Here it is. You will see we have ended up writing three different drafts; one for potential renters; one for potential flatmates/boarders; one for potential purchasers. Please add your 5 bobs worth and get back to us asap as we think it would be good to have printouts available on Sunday. Best, From Anne, Roz, Mike, Alex, Gay (Renter/boarders/flatmates/purchasers information team) Gay Buckingham +64 27 4544012

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Re: [Ucol-shareholders] Draft Renter/Boarder/Flatmate/Purchaser Informations Sheets
by Anna Maxwell 19 Nov '20

19 Nov '20

Likewise, I am very comfortable that there are some people who live among us and share our common facilities who are on the ‘fringe’ of co-housing - I find this more inclusive. Anna > On 19/11/2020, at 10:41 AM, Sandy Ross <sfross(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > I fully agree with Min. There will be older children who are part of households but they do not at this stage want to be fully part of our Cohousing rhythms. I would not like to see them barred from the Common House, but welcomed and invited to be part of our community. Their parents are likely to be fully involved. > > I hope to hear Min’s daughter enjoying the piano. > > Frances > >> On 18/11/2020, at 9:00 PM, Y Lee <yblees(a)orcon.net.nz> wrote: >> >> I think this is good information for an incoming tenant / boarder. >> >> However, I do have a couple of questions/comments: >> 1. In what situation would EV charging not be available to all residents? >> I'm sure the EV owners intend to work out a roster so everybody will have access to charging facilities as often as they need. >> This would include borders and tenants who have EV's. >> >> 2. WRT to this line "If you are living in a cohousing household and decide you would like to become part of the community and share our common facilities". >> My daughter does not intend to regularly take part in meetings, working bees, cooking or eating shared meals. >> Does this mean she cannot come into the common house? >> I feel this is too harsh, and not at all inclusive. >> This will be her home as long as she wants it to be, and I don't want her to feel unwelcome. She will very likely take part in community life on her own terms. Also, we hope to have the piano in the common house, where she will visit to play it. >> >> Regards >> Min >> >> On 17/11/2020 8:34 pm, Gay Buckingham wrote: >>> We undertook to have our material sent around early this week. Here it is. >>> >>> You will see we have ended up writing three different drafts; one for potential renters; one for potential flatmates/boarders; one for potential purchasers. >>> >>> Please add your 5 bobs worth and get back to us asap as we think it would be good to have printouts available on Sunday. >>> >>> Best, >>> From Anne, Roz, Mike, Alex, Gay >>> (Renter/boarders/flatmates/purchasers information team) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gay Buckingham >>> +64 27 4544012 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ucol-shareholders mailing list >>> Ucol-shareholders(a)list.king.net.nz >>> https://list.king.net.nz/listinfo/ucol-shareholders >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ucol-shareholders mailing list >> Ucol-shareholders(a)list.king.net.nz >> https://list.king.net.nz/listinfo/ucol-shareholders > > _______________________________________________ > Ucol-shareholders mailing list > Ucol-shareholders(a)list.king.net.nz > https://list.king.net.nz/listinfo/ucol-shareholders

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On Sunday....
by Anne Thomson 18 Nov '20

18 Nov '20

Hi all, I will not be with you for the induction workshop, though we will come for lunch. Someone asked about bringing children - usually we welcome them, though the seminar room will be rather full. However we do have the 'tea room' where we could invite children - and bring some activities? I have a large box of duplo. Or could do Lego, though that's not so good if there are smaller children. Are there a couple of people coming who would be willing to keep an eye on any children - taking turns between 3 or 4 could be good? I asked those who had 'booked' to confirm that they are coming - currently 10 have (and 2 on Zoom) But I now have 20 households on my reply list, so the seminar room will be cosy. It's great to see the level of interest - but we will need to be very clear about managing expectations. Anne

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Re: [Ucol-shareholders] Buddy system within the Renter/Boarder/Flatmate/Purchaser Informatin Sheets
by Rainer Beneke 17 Nov '20

17 Nov '20

Re buddies, I am happy to buddy up, but only if it happens naturally at an induction. And I think that’s the best way to buddy up. If no one feels like buddying up, perhaps it’s not meant to happen? Rainer Please call me if you need an urgent reply. Rainer Beneke +64 21 144 7700 > On 18/11/2020, at 11:08 AM, Gay Buckingham <gaybuckingham(a)tuatara.net.nz> wrote: >

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